Statement from Recovering Grace regarding the lawsuit against Bill Gothard and IBLP

28 March 2018, 01:30

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Dear Recovering Grace Reader,

On February 26, 2018, the former plaintiffs in the lawsuit against Bill Gothard and the Institute in Basic Life Principles released the following joint statement:

Due to the unique complexities of this case, including the statutes of limitation, we have made the difficult decision to voluntarily dismiss our lawsuit against Bill Gothard and The Institute in Basic Life Principles. We want to make it abundantly clear that by dismissing our lawsuit at this time, we are not recanting our experiences or dismissing the incalculable damage that we believe Gothard has done by his actions and certain teachings. Nor are we disregarding that his organization chose to protect themselves instead of those under their care.

Shortly after the release of this statement, Bill Gothard went on a verbal offensive against the former plaintiffs and against Recovering Grace, releasing statements through both his Facebook page and a website run by a self-described paid member of his legal team. One of these statements exposes private medical and deeply personal family information about a former plaintiff who released a personal statement after the case was dropped—information gleaned by Gothard’s legal team as part of the discovery phase of the lawsuit and by Gothard personally during counseling sessions with the plaintiff several years earlier.

In the wake of the lawsuit dismissal, we have received reports that Bill Gothard and his team have attempted multiple contacts with former plaintiffs, their family members, and their friends in order to pursue “reconciliation” on his terms. There are also reports that he has threatened further legal action against the plaintiffs if they refuse to meet with him and if they continue to speak out. Additionally, the aforementioned self-described member of Gothard’s legal team has contacted Recovering Grace, hinting at legal action if we post or share anything else on our Facebook page and, presumably, on our website.

When Recovering Grace began in 2011, we did so with a desire to expose the destructive effects of the teachings of Bill Gothard and the organizations he founded, that generations of former followers might find understanding, hope, and healing. At our launch, we focused on posting theological articles and personal narratives from various writers who represented a unique “insider’s view” on these teachings and their effects. Openly publishing the substance of countless conversations among those affected has given all of us the opportunity to contemplate how those teachings—and their attempted implementation—have continued to affect our thinking, our relationships, and our lives.

In 2012, Recovering Grace began receiving reports of alleged misconduct by Bill Gothard himself, including allegations of unwelcome physical contact, misconduct in private counseling, and failure to report abuse of minors. In order to warn others, we eventually posted narratives by several individuals who alleged experiencing these behaviors firsthand and were willing to speak publicly of what happened to them. We were aided in this endeavor by a previous generation of Gothard employees, volunteers, and followers, whose documentation demonstrated the ongoing nature of these patterns through the turbulent early years of these ministries. In June 2013, we published a public letter to Bill Gothard calling him to repentance, and in February 2014, we posted a call for Gothard’s resignation from Christian ministry.

On Thursday, February 27, 2014, World magazine broke the news that the IBLP board of directors had placed Bill Gothard on administrative leave while they undertook a review of the allegations against him. Though their internal investigation failed to reach out to most of the individuals who had published accounts on Recovering Grace, the IBLP board issued a statement in June 2014 stating, “Mr. Gothard has acted in an inappropriate manner, and the Board realizes the seriousness of his lack of discretion and failure to follow Christ’s example of being blameless and above reproach.” They concluded, “At this time the Board unanimously agrees that Mr. Gothard is not permitted to serve in any counseling, leadership, or Board role within the IBLP ministry.” It is worth noting that IBLP resisted repeated requests from both legal teams that worked for the plaintiffs to disclose the results of their internal investigation.

In late 2014 through 2016 our publishing slowly tapered off. There were, and continue to be, many personal stories to tell and many teachings to dissect, but there are now many other venues for these stories and discussions. And so, in light of Gothard’s removal from the IBLP organization, IBLP’s stated promise to reevaluate his teachings, and the robust discussion of these issues facilitated in many settings, our team of volunteers went on a hiatus from publishing new content. Several of our team members also took time to focus on the business of life: cross-country moves, major career changes, callings to other areas of ministry, and even the births of children. While our team has  continued to answer e-mails and maintain a Facebook presence, and although the website has remained open for discussions among readers in the article comment sections, we have not been otherwise engaged publicly.

In 2015, several former ATI students filed a lawsuit that soon encompassed IBLP, Bill Gothard, and specific former IBLP staffers. Some of the plaintiffs had published parts of their stories through Recovering Grace, some were known to us but had chosen not to publish, and others were previously unknown to us. Recovering Grace had no financial interest or investment, and no formal involvement in the lawsuit, although some of us have been privileged to privately talk with, cry with, and cheer for the plaintiffs, and to provide moral support as fellow survivors. The plaintiffs and their lawyers were in control of every aspect of their case, and we hold a deep admiration and respect for their efforts to advocate for themselves and for other survivors.

In late February 2018, we were told that, despite the merits of the case, the plaintiff’s attorneys had suggested that they discontinue their suit due to a couple of factors:

  • Even with a win in court, the emotional toll the next several months or years would take on their personal lives would be a lot from which to recover.
  • The attorneys worked for the plaintiffs on contingency, and it was becoming apparent that, with mounting statute of limitations issues, a threatened countersuit from Gothard, and very little expected in monetary damages to cover legal expenses, it would be difficult to continue.

After a few weeks of heart-wrenching consideration, the plaintiffs agreed to drop the case with the option to re-file within the next year if they so choose. We at Recovering Grace applaud the plaintiffs for their courage in fighting this battle in a human court of law, and we acknowledge that justice is now in the hands of a higher court.

After all that has transpired, we stand by our mission to aid others in the process of healing from the destructive effects of Gothard’s teachings, and we stand alongside all survivors of spiritual, emotional, physical, and sexual abuse. We are heartened to see so many former Gothard students, volunteers, staffers, and followers find their voices through blogs, interviews, and discussion forums, and we appreciate those who have continued to reach out to us with their stories. We hope our website continues to serve as a resource to those seeking to understand and recover from the damaging effects of Bill Gothard’s teachings and systems, and we are grateful for the many readers who have joined us in shedding light on the issues and pointing hurting people to the reality of God’s grace and truth.

The Recovering Grace Team

All articles on this site reflect the views of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect the views of other Recovering Grace contributors or the leadership of the site. Students who have survived Gothardism tend to end up at a wide variety of places on the spiritual and theological spectrum, thus the diversity of opinions expressed on this website reflects that. For our official statement of beliefs, click here.

35 Comments

  1. Linn March 28, 2018 Reply

    I feel so bad for so those who filed the lawsuit as the disappointment must be so heavy. However, there stand for the truth about Gothard and his practices has made many wary of both the man and his teachings. I pray that God will provide the healing the survivors need, as well as protection from any continued onslaughts by Gothard and his legal team.

  2. Amie Algea March 28, 2018 Reply

    I am personally grateful to the Plaintiffs for being courageous enough to stand up and tell the truth. I imagine some or all of them faced some censure from friends and family. Bill Gothard has been exposed and even if he never takes responsibility for what he did, they have made it possible for current and future families to have an option. When my parents jumped on the crazy Gothard bandwagon, it was after the first scandal, and being brand new Christians they just took everything he taught as truth. They were never told that there had been some shady business up in Illinois. Of course now internet makes information freely available, but without the Plaintiffs' actions there might only have been little blogs or chats, now there is full and clear truth. I just hope the Plaintiffs feel a sense of satisfaction because they have made a difference.

  3. Julia March 28, 2018 Reply

    Thank you so much RG and the courageous plaintiffs. Thank you. You have helped us more than you can ever know.
    I started a blog in my attempts to help others.

    https://simplythinking675545448.wordpress.com/

  4. David Pigg March 29, 2018 Reply

    I wanted to throw my voice in with the voices having known,briefly seen or seen on a long term basis the ongoing damage done by this man to this day unrecalcitrant.I wanted to condemn the condemner,to bring some help for who may have been suppressed, muzzled,and persecuted by natural religion.I am saddened by the present galvanized bullying,but not surprised.To what can I offer for the denials,obfuscations,and coercians?Anger,prayer,and a hope that however far down the road justice may come;that it will indeed come,for anyone with any clear honest appraisal will never come to acknowledge that this travesty is justice.Natural religion with its supramoral veneer can never replace the light.This is a dark day.

  5. kevin March 29, 2018 Reply

    Thank you Recovering Grace for giving support to those in need of support and for giving a voice to those whose voices had been muzzled. Thank you especially to the brave women, for going public about what this man did to you and for taking action. I'm sure the past 3 years have been very difficult emotionally and you were up against an adversary with deep pockets. Although the case was withdrawn and full justice was not served, much has been achieved by your bravery in coming out. 1) Your testimonies led to an internal investigation at IBLP, leading to the removal of Bill Gothard. He is no longer in a position to have access to teenage girls. 2) You have exposed the true nature of IBLP and Bill Gothard to the world. All who have ears, eyes and reason now know the truth. 3) You are part of a much larger movement that no longer accepts sexual abuse and harassment as the norm.
    God bless you all and I pray for your speedy recovery from this ordeal and healing for all that you have been through.

  6. rob war March 29, 2018 Reply

    Are the editors at RG aware of any attempts to bring Bill back to the helm at IBLP? Are they going to stand by their previous reasons on why he was ultimately disband? Maybe there is some justice in this in that he was ultimately and finally removed from IBLP ministry and whatever attempts he has had in trying to go on in other ministry have not been successful (as well as his "28" self-published "books"). At his age of 83, it doesn't look like he is going anywhere and his supposed focus on men is telling in that there must have been a problem with surrounding himself with young women. Whatever time he has left on this earth, it is also highly doubtful that he will end up with the respect and praise that Billy Graham received when he was finally called home to heaven. And for those looking for final justice, obscurity after many years in public ministry in quite a final ending.

    • kevin March 30, 2018 Reply

      Rob,
      Bill will be returned to the helm of IBLP........in Alfred's dreams. Seriously, I can't see this happening.
      I'm not a RG editor, but here are my thoughts.
      IBLP has refused to release the report for the internal investigation that they had their attorney conduct, though it was requested by the plaintiffs in the court case. I assume that they exercised Attorney Client Privilege in refusing to do so. Following the findings of the investigation, Bill was removed. Although they did not interview the victims, their investigation found something serious enough that Bill had to go. For things that happened in the past, the board can claim ignorance and that they had no knowledge of the things that Bill was doing in those private counseling meetings with the girls. But, going forward, they can no longer claim ignorance. To bring a man back in the fold who has been accused of such things? The liability to IBLP would be off the charts, should there be a future victim.

      • rob war March 30, 2018 Reply

        Yes, I agree with you. His age is also a factor and considering the current climate of #metoo and a number of big name pastors that have to now step down, it would seem very unlikely.

        • kevin April 2, 2018

          I'll look for Bill back at the helm of IBLP, about the time that Jello Pudding re-hires Bill Cosby as their spokesperson, and Hertz Rent a Car starts running new commercials with OJ Simpson running through the airport again.

  7. Nicole Gardner April 1, 2018 Reply

    Kevin,
    I agree; once a board removes (as opposed to suspending) anybody re. the kinds of things Bill included in the “apology” letter (“I have never touched a girl with sexual intent”- statement in which he notably left out the minutes- long-full-front-embracing, laying staff down next to himself under blankets, stroking thighs, waiting until they were in bed to come pounding on their dorm doors to hug them, appointing them a male *underwear expert* to advise them what panties to wear, etc.,etc, etc.) they’ve admitted that his integrity does not hold up. Even with all that was left out of that *apology* letter, & the blatant falsehood re. sexually charged actions against his students, the board still found that what he did admit to as making him unfit for ministry. Bill added to this, chastising his former board in his interview with The Washington Post, saying how foolish they were to remove him “since only I have the information they need.” Only he had the info re. all he had done to all those girls after getting them alone with himself............ only he had counselor/counselee-privileged information to even further exploit their vulnerabilities............ only he knew exactly what he had done to whom & how many times he had done it to which victim. He basically chalked it all up to the fact that *It’s Complicated.*

    Not that any admission like this was even needed following the board’s decision!

    It makes me sick to see his unrepentance continue, esp. re. his publication of a former counselee’s medical condition. This only serves to show, though, that he made it worse from the time she was 12. The fact that he admits not to have made her better, instead holding it over her head that she continued in sickness all the months he “helped” her, is blaming & belittling at its worse. At least his violation of HIPPA completely destroys any window of opportunity he may have had to access war veterans. He’ll have to be banned from volunteering at any VA now. The volunteer agreement forms include the promise to honor HIPPA. I’m sorry this gal had to pay the price of Gothard shooting himself down in flames this way.

    I cannot thank RG enough for all that their articles & presence have done to help me, a sexual abuse survivor. My life’s experiences with this had been greatly exacerbated by the IBLP’s heretical & abusive paradigm as applied to these instances. I still have the written evidence as drawn for me; hammer-mallet-diamond & the Umbrella diagram, matching those of the earlier seminars & in the Big Red Notebook. I will be retaining these for my personal records for the remainder of my life here on earth. It has been through finding the truth through this site that I have found grace & a voice. I use my real name on here. I have written quite a bit about how IBLP’s other deviancies to what the Bible actually says have likewise deceived me in other ways. I use my real name, not because I need to own such personal ownership of the deception by which I was deceived, but because I finally found the safety of a community that is committed to the truth. I myself stand by my telling of the truth which I have been privileged to do via commenting on this site.

    Thank-you, RG, for personally helping me heal through this forum.

  8. Nicole Gardner April 2, 2018 Reply

    God bless the plaintiffs who hung on for as long as they could, for giving voice to what they’d gone through. Women are not objects to be disrespected!!!!!

    This includes the disrespect of shutting women down from expressing what we dislike about what others have done to us. What a concept!

    RG, thank you for providing myself a voice here on this forum, as a commenter. The abuse I have experienced by IBLP-ers using the Umbrella (diagram & all) against me is something I am glad to have spoken-to. I wanted to speak about what I personally have been though with the teachings of the IBLP, as they were cruelly & heretically applied to me. Doing so has helped me heal, & hopefully helped others who perhaps were also likewise blamed for abuse done against them, as I was.

    Thank-you for allowing me to tell of my own personal experiences. They were awful. But I’ve been helped to heal by this forum. I’ve used my own name. And I stand by everything I’ve ever said on here. And I still say it: Abuse is never okay!!!! It needed to be called-out.

    I’ve never met any of you folk, or emailed or chatted or online chatted with any of you at RG. I’m just grateful to have a voice for my own experiences, & to read what thousands of others have had to say. I am not alone. Thank-you.

    • David Pigg April 2, 2018 Reply

      Thank you for your eloquent testimony and your human feelings.Our humanity and naiveness exposed our vulnerability.You gave us a voice some of us never had but wanted to.

  9. Don Rubottom April 3, 2018 Reply

    RG staff: Thank you very much for hosting this site and allowing us to share with one another. The diversity of views, theologies, experiences and perceptions have greatly helped me understand what was wrong, to see through others' eyes and to speak much more gracefully into pain and confusion.
    For those who demand "justice": please remember that the "natural religion" we have spoken of here is basically the law of reaping and sowing, the views of Job's three mistaken friends and the failure to recognize that Justice has been fully dispensed on the cross. Justice cannot be satisfied in any other way consistent with our survival. It is wonderful in that it vindicates God and Truth, but it is an all consuming fire that destroys we sinners.
    On the other hand, I would say directly to Mr. Gothard that you cannot seek reconciliation without reconciling the facts. You and your accusers must agree on the facts. If they have slandered you, you may present your evidence (not poor Alfred's speculations and arguments but verifiable facts) for objective people to review and consider. I have not seen your recent statements but if you attack the weaknesses of your accusers, rather than admit or proffer alternative time, place, witness testimony, you are not engaged in reconciliation but reaction. Reconciliation is not ignoring or dismissing truth. It is acknowledging truth together and finding the Grace to appreciate harm and know forgiveness. It is not demanding forgiveness while calling your accuser a liar. It is not hiding the truth behind non-disclosure agreements. It is not payoffs for silence. It is full transparency before the entire church. Go to the John MacArthurs of the world who you have used in the past as shields and ask them how to respond. Stop trying to deny your decades of unaccountability, your rejection of criticism, your foolish notions that did in fact hurt many families. Our wives are our co-regents. They are not our subordinates. Our children are our blessed trust, not our servants and tools. Authority is God's, not man's.
    "The rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them. It shall not be so among you. But whoever would be great among you must be your servant, and whoever would be first among you must be your slave, even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
    Sir, despite your pretenses, you were never truly our servant. But rather, you desired us to lord it over our families and you to lord it over whoever would submit to you. That is more shameful than all the petty personal quirks that have come to light. It broke the spirits of thousands who got caught up in your legalism. And it was legalism: "...we know that a person is not justified by works of the law...." "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose."
    Plaintiffs: Thank you for your courage. It is a simple truth that our human justice is imperfect and inadequate. Statutes of limitation reflect a truth that the more time passes, the more difficult it is to establish facts and find justice. Like all things in this cursed dominion, evidence degrades with time. I was initially concerned that your first lawyer, meaning well, was taking advantage of the process to make a case that was extremely unlikely. But please know that you accomplished much in clarifying your claims, testing your own evidence and calling IBLP to account. You have nothing to be ashamed of. Our system is inadequate to your cause. I am thankful the judge allowed you to make your pleas even if they cannot be resolved. Be confident and know that God defends the defenseless, protects the powerless and elevates the meek. We all thank you and commend you for speaking the truth in love.
    To RG: what has become of this stated intention of IBLP to review the false teachings? Is there an open door for us to participate, or are they hopelessly bound to the "system" that entrapped them? By now, serious scholars should have been assembled to address what has misled millions, but I see and hear of no such thing. Sad to say.
    I pray that these dialogues may continue. I yearn to hear more of your stories, please submit to editors if you can articulate your journeys and discoveries that are freeing you. And let us encourage one another to love and good deeds!

    • rob war April 3, 2018 Reply

      Wow Don, so well put and brilliant too! Question for the lawyer, how easy or hard is it to be successful in slander suits?

      • Don Rubottom April 9, 2018 Reply

        Any "he said she said" is hard to win. He would not be left looking sympathetic after all the accusers testified to his misdeeds, particularly in light of his admissions to stroking hair and playing footsie! His case would be difficult. Has Alfred convinced you? Those "did not have sexual intent" arguments would not convince a jury either.

        • rob war April 9, 2018

          ABSOLUTELY NOT! The defenses on DG mention that he was touching these girls but that he didn't have "sexual intent" or that he operated in his own world or that he felt he had a call to "minister" to young women because they were neglected. The defenses of him on the internet indict him. He just saw his staff as extended family and he was trying to be a father/grandfather. Or he was just being a considerate boss in recommending these girls how to dress. Etc. Etc. I mean all these excuses are stating that he was touching and bothering these girl.

        • Don Rubottom April 10, 2018

          Exactly.

        • rob war April 10, 2018

          I rarely read about defamation or slander cases being successful. Discussion the body of someone's teaching that has been in existence since the 1960's isn't a "kill Bill" in a free and open society. Having your loyal support call everyone a liar and out to get Bill I would think would back fire on this case. And what is the point? At 83, will any of this bring him back his old glory? It's over for him. One can't make blanket accusals that everyone on this blog is a liar and out to destroy Bill. Trying to support this effort because Melania Trump won some defamation case against some blogger is not the same as a large group of people, mostly ex-ATI students talking about how IBCY/IBLP screwed up their lives in trying to follow Bill's cradle to grave teaching. And then to turn all of this around and blaming Dr. Cornish alone is just ridiculous. I guess his is the new Tony G. and Bill's new boggy man. I think defamation works both ways.

    • Karen April 3, 2018 Reply

      Very well said, dear brother! I really have nothing to add, but my amen.

  10. rob war April 3, 2018 Reply

    To Bill,

    Since you either review this blog your self or have your loyal supports do so on your behalf, what does this new court filing really do for you? Will it put you back at IBLP? Will it give you back your "good name" that you think you lost? Will it give you the final evangelical accolades that the late Billy Graham got? What really does this do for you? All it really does is make you look like a big hypocrite whether you win or not. You will be going against many things that you taught such as and not limited to,surrendering your rights, suffering, trusting God, loving your enemies, not going to court against other Christians etc. At 83 is that how you really want to spend your last years is in court? No matter that many of this was a she said/ he said, let me ask you this, why is the world did a single man with a million dollar ministry to run decide to surround himself with pretty young girls? You think this makes you look honorable and honest? Why in the world have you tried to excuse this as either being fatherly or grandfatherly, as being some kind of "old fashioned kinda guy"? Your own defenders on the internet have defended you as "not understanding", as "being in your own world", as "an old fashioned guy", as trying to file some kind of gap to ministry to young women, not having sexual intent, etc. However, these defenses in your name actually have painted a picture of a man that was repeatedly touching young women that you knowingly surrounded yourself with. However, this goes deeper than that and yes, I am old enough to remember the 1980 scandal when that blew open and those issues from way back then still seem not to be resolved and even today with those from that time period that worked for you and are still alive. That scandal back then began to erode your name and broad appeal. I saw myself the slow withdrawal. Does counter suing these people bring any of it back? Really it doesn't even if you are successful. For someone that taught about character, responsibility, authority etc. I'm not seeing any of this in your current actions towards these people. They withdrew the case. You are not being forced into court, why then are you still trying to continue this because it makes you look like an vindictive bitter man. And bitterness was another thing you strongly came out against in your teaching. Is that what you want to look like and be remembered for in your twilight years? Where is your love for your enemies? Where is "Father forgive them, they know not what they do?" All of this does for you is make you a foot note in the evangelical world which has long ago left you. Your loyal fans and followers still cant go the IBLP and see your name and face and even video clips. They can also go to your new web site and buy your self-published books. You had a moment of grace with the withdrawal of the law suit, it's a huge mistake to counter and continue.

  11. Sad April 3, 2018 Reply

    Thank you to the RG team for all the work they have done over the years, both here on this site and behind the scenes. To the plaintiffs, as a 25 year veteran cop, I want to apologize for the legal system failing you so completely. I took on this calling to stand up for those who need a voice and I hate to see people get away from justice. For not only does BG escape dealing with the authorities placed over us by God, he also enabled other abusers to escape justice by his failing to report criminal matters. It breaks my heart and sickens my soul.

    My prayer is that the victims can find peace and solace as they press forward from this case.

  12. Rachel (Bruzas) Foster April 9, 2018 Reply

    Thank you, RG Team!! I am grateful to have found Recovering Grace several years ago, and want to thank each one on your team for giving yourselves to this site. My life is changed because of it. You gave us ex-ATI students a voice when we were just beginning to be brave enough to acknowledge the damage that had been done in our lives during our formative years. You gave us the window into others' experiences, and we realized that we weren't alone in our confusion and pain. You gave us tools to help us heal, and the backbone to stand up and make changes in ourselves, our families, and for our futures. You have maintained a balanced content-- no trash talking, and plenty of relevant articles, while being very honest and bold. Thank you for the gift of this site to us!

    And I applaud each person who joined the lawsuit against BG-- that took courage and determination. You did NOT fail. You made the hypocritical world that BG had created come crashing down around his ears-- and the Christian community had to take notice. A once-worshiped man was exposed for his sins and crimes against innocent, vulnerable people. You ARE believed, and now the best gift you can give yourselves-- and the best way you can ultimately win this thing -- is to live life, continue to seek healing, choose joy, and don't let him take anything more away from you. I pray that you will find peace, rest, and comfort.

  13. Don Rubottom April 13, 2018 Reply

    Interesting: as this "case" winds down, another rises--
    Bill Hybels, Willow Creek.
    http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2018/march/chicago-megachurch-caught-in-swirl-of-accusations-against-founder

    "Hybels has admitted to placing himself "in situations that would have been far wiser to avoid," but he maintains his innocence."
    that quote from:
    http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2018/april/willow-creek-pastor-bill-hybels-resigns-amid-accusations-of-sexual-misconduct

    Note the common factor with B.G.: admission of compromising circumstances but categorical denial of guilt or moral fault. And the "investigation" reported "no evidence" meaning that the testimony of women is not evidence AND the admitted circumstantial evidence is not evidence. There were 1000 emails between Hybels and one acccuser but the emails could not be read. Why can't one of these fallen souls just admit their weakness and accept a true judgment? And Hybels has a woman Chair of Board of Elders defending him...

    • rob war April 15, 2018 Reply

      I don't understand why these guys didn't follow Billy Graham's example and never allow oneself to be alone with another woman that wasn't his wife. It sounded like many of these incidences happen when he traveled and then asked these women to be alone with him or met him in his hotel room. Is he really that stupid?

      • Don Rubottom April 18, 2018 Reply

        Males are really that stupid. You've been warned. ;-)

  14. Nicole Gardner April 17, 2018 Reply

    Hey everybody I need information re. something that’s time-sensitive:
    Back in 2015, or possible very early 2016, a national organization removed IBLP from it’s list of “approved organizations”. This was because they had wrongly included IBLP to begin with; it has forever been non-qualifiable because Gothard was one of his own elders, which is not conducive to their criteria. The announcement of removal was not in any of the feature articles, but was in a comment. I remember looking it up. The disqualifing organization had a four-letter abbreviation. Something like 2 “E”s, maybe an “O”, maybe a “C.” I need to find the name of this governing body so that I can reference their criteria of not allowing an elder-board to be staked-out by the person that it’s supposed to govern. Like I said, it’s time-sensitive. I’ve been googling like crazy, also trying to find that comment on here.
    If anybody knows the name of this organization, I would love it if you could tell me on here.

    • Larne Gabriel April 17, 2018 Reply

      Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability
      www.efca.org
      ECFA enhances trust in Christ-centered churches and ministries by establishing and applying Seven Standards of Responsible Stewardship™ to accredited organizations.

      http://www.ecfa.org/FormerMembers.aspx
      Institute in Basic Life Principles Terminated for failure to comply with Standard 2: Governance 03/11/2016

      There are some news articles regarding the termination but they were not readily available

    • rob war April 17, 2018 Reply

      I remember this. I think it was either ECFA or Evangelical Joint Accounting Committee or ECCU but it (I think) was connected with Evangelical Joint Accounting Committee. I would look at their web sites.

      • Nicole Gardner April 18, 2018 Reply

        Ty very much, Rob!
        I’ll go check

    • kevin April 18, 2018 Reply

      Hi Nicole.
      It was ECFA. Here is the article in Christianity Today, regarding IBLP's loss of accreditation:

      http://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2016/march/bill-gothard-iblp-loses-ecfa-accreditation-governance.html

  15. Larne Gabriel April 17, 2018 Reply

    EFCA
    Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability
    IBLP Terminated for failure to comply with Standard 2: Governance 3/11/16

  16. Larne Gabriel April 19, 2018 Reply

    Recently I wrote a final research paper for a Theology class my church offers, the title of my paper was The importance of Good Biblical Theology in recognizing false prophets in these end-times. My professor was well aware of my background and besides my own research, he provided me with a plethora of documents and references including a paper by Ann Marshall, a professor from Chafer Theological Seminary tilted, TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN (MATTHEW 15:9) which got my attention. The purpose of her paper was a book review of Don Veinot’s “A Matter of Basic Principles”. The review was very positive, and her added personal research is more than insightful. She deals with a number of topics to include Hermeneutics, Grace and Rhemas. Her summaries and conclusions are spot on and I highly recommend it as being more than a book review. The link below:

    http://chafer.nextmeta.com/files/v9n1_4teaching_for_doctrines_the_commandments.pdf

    • kevin April 24, 2018 Reply

      Thanks for the link Larne! I agree that she is spot on. Worth reading for certain.

      "Gothard believes that
      attendees will avoid painful mishaps and blunders if they will
      follow his step-by-step plan: “These ‘principles’ rather than a
      relationship with God are the focus of Gothard’s teaching.”8"

      Bingo.

  17. Benjamin Chung April 22, 2018 Reply

    If I am not mistaken, your website is safe from any legal action from Bill. He is dying, and desperate to clear his good name. That is why when God takes him, he would be delusional to think that God will reward him. If there is a God, and I am not the only one to think this, that he must make sure Bill face his punishment in this world and in the afterlife.

    • rob war April 23, 2018 Reply

      Can you verify the status of Bill's health?

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