This is part three of a three-part series detailing the damage done to one student as he experienced several of IBLP/ATI's programs for young people in his teens and early twenties.
Courtship? After ALERT, our family moved to North Carolina. I had a crush on a girl back in Texas and told my Dad about it. My Dad thought that our personalities were not compatible, but I was insistent, so he told her father about it. The girl’s father said that they would be attending a specific conference that I was also going to, and I would have that one week to get her to like me without me actually telling her about my interest. That father had published a bunch of CDs on Christian courtship, all of which I had listened to and taken notes on — so I was ready. When I arrived at the conference, the pressure was on.
What I did not know then was that her father had said the same thing to two other guys. And they were much better at it than I was. I would just sit there in the coffee shop with this other guy and watch him go. It was like I did not exist. My sister ran interference for me, but she ran into the guy’s father, who sternly told her to lay off. We were both crying and confused. If this was courtship, then this is not the way either of us expected it to be. We drove home confused, emotionally drained, and depressed.
Deeper into Legalism. During this time, our family got involved with Vision Forum and the National Center for Family Integrated Churches, but that is a different story with another whole line-up of weirdness. Still, I think that our experiences with ATI opened the door to these even more legalistic systems.
Struggles. I received my Associates in Applied Science at a local community college. I found I had little to no ability to communicate effectively with other people, but that slowly changed. I didn’t swear, drink, smoke, or date girls — these things were sinful. I held on very tightly to the things I understood: girls were not an option, we listened only to classical music, my sisters wore only dresses, and I was very verbal about how they dressed so that they would not defraud men.
I felt called to go into the military but was denied enlistment into the Marines and the Army. In January 2006, I applied to the United States Military Academy and was denied. The following January, I was accepted on the condition that I attend a military prep school. I graduated from the prep school in June 2007 and went to West Point.
While at the prep school, I met a girl at an all-girls college across the street. We went to the same church, and I thought, “Screw the courtship covenant! I’m gonna give this a shot.” I took her out two or three times just to get to know her. Things were going great until I found out that she wanted to be a doctor and loved Hillary Clinton’s health-care reform — two things I disagreed with staunchly. I sent her some stuff I believed was gospel truth — stuff from Vision Forum’s website and ATI’s websites about girls not going to college, getting married young and having “19 kids and counting,” and being ultra-conservative. All of these ideas ticked her off and ended any possibility of a relationship.
That experience was very nice though — I learned what things I held dear, what things I could learn about and adapt to, and what not to say to a girl.
West Point. I went to West Point, and the basic concepts that I was raised with (duty, honor, country, plus all the character qualities in the Wisdom Booklets) were honed to a fine point. First I was taught to follow and obey orders, and then I was slowly given chances to lead groups and make decisions that affected others.
After my first year there was completed, Mom called me, crying, “Your three-year-old brother has leukemia and is not expected to live past six months.” I had a decision to make, but I didn’t quite realize it until I went to see my family at the hospital. Seeing Bob in the pediatric cancer ward, I felt like I should give back to my family by coming home and helping out. After summer training at West Point, I out-processed. This was one of the hardest things I’ve ever had to do, but I stand with that choice.
Verity. I had been unemployed for a month when my folks recommended Verity to complete my bachelor’s degree. My initial reaction was, “Nope, not interested.” But, knowing that I would be distance-learning and have little to no interaction with the ATI people, I tried it.
My initial reaction to Verity held true: they were a bunch of people who hardly got outside their front door unsupervised, had a very unrealistic view of life, and had never had any hardships. Overall, the ones I encountered were judgmental people like I once was. At the end of my time there, though, I did find that they actually cared about me and my family.
I told my folks I wanted to be on-site, but the money was not there. So I decided to get a job. I applied for work for four months without any responses until I was offered a job as a salesman with a national security system service. Soon, I was working 70 hours a week with little return on my efforts.
Another Relationship. While this was going on, I met a girl at Verity who lived 150 miles away. I attempted to start a relationship, and I blew it because my concept of relationships was still messed up. In fact, this relationship went worse than the others. I was pulled into the Dean’s office for trying to talk to her after curfew. The dean was very angry with me for what I did, but I didn’t understand. The girl was giving me a hard time, and I wanted to know what was going on with her. I’m 24. What’s the issue?
The issue was that I tried to talk to her without a sponsor (someone to monitor the conversation)! I was told that if I pulled another stunt like that I’d be kicked out. Fair enough — I’d walk the line. But now there was a girl living on the floor above me who was constantly dropping in on the Dean to create drama about me — drama that was all imagined on her end. At the same time, I had to go see the Dean on a weekly basis to learn what is wrong with me. Why I don’t have a burning desire to seek God more or why I feel certain ways about different issues. The thing is, regardless of what was right or wrong, in the end — Mr. Gothard’s book held the key.
Student and Staff. After the girl graduated I went back to distance-learning for a semester because I couldn’t afford to stay on-site. When I returned, my closest friend was being expelled by Mr. Gothard for not agreeing to take the vow of single service. At the same time, a staff member was also beginning a “relationship” with a girl student — when I say relationship, I mean they would talk on occasion, and people would gossip and then leadership would confront them and one or the other may say, “I like him/her.” The school leadership was already working the poor guy 80 hours a week and he was getting called into the office of Student Affairs or the President’s office about this girl. It got to the point where what might have been just a casual attraction was growing into a major potential thing. Because, of course, when you order someone not to think about something, they only think about it more.
This staff member came to me and my roommate for help. I told him he had to either choose to obey orders (like a soldier) or quit the position. He chose to quit, leaving me to take up the slack. I came in as the only student/staff member. My final two semesters on-site, I was working 20 to 60 hours a week depending on how much school I had to do. However, I had none of the freedoms the staff had (movies, music, pay). I was all ministry, and I was good at it. I ran the copy center and did a lot of IT projects for the school.
I was told that the school’s leadership wanted me to permanently join the staff. I was flattered but not interested. But my roommate started pushing me that direction, and I thought, “Maybe I’ll meet my wife here. At least there’s enough desperate single Christian girls who want to have kids and homeschool.” I was looking for desperate because I was more desperate than anyone else I knew. I just never acted on it because I did not need to go through another two semesters of being on the “bad boys list.”
Choices. So I asked if I would be considered for a permanent position. Around this time, I was given a lot of responsibility in the sense that I was asked to do a number of last-minute projects by the president of the school. One of the more stressful ones was to lead 20 people from Jerusalem to Indianapolis without leaving anyone behind. That was dropped in my lap about five hours before we left. Praise God everyone got back safely, but due to the stress and lack of sleep, I said things to people in the process that should not have been said.
Then I was told that there was a new policy of requiring a vow of single service for a year, “and then you can court someone on staff.” Knowing first-hand what happened to my friend who had refused to sign the vow of single service, I was unsure of whether I should stay. I discussed it with other staffers. Some said I should stay, and some suggested I go after graduating.
Our mission trip was to Israel. On our return, I had terrible jet lag which I never recovered from because I had to teach Management Info Systems right after we got back (arrived on Saturday, teaching on Monday). I prepared from 3 p.m. to 3 a.m. and taught from 9 a.m. to 12 p.m. for eight days straight. I had one week of normal schedule — IT projects, writing essays and stuff — and then the senior retreat.
Senior Retreat. We arrived in Wisconsin at Dr. Guthrie’s farm, and the first day we were there a close friend of mine’s Dad died. We prayed for him as he was sobbing on my chest. That is when I really started coming apart. The week was beautiful, but I started to do things I wouldn’t normally do. I started coming out and opening myself up to people and caring for them.
In the process, I realized I had this thing for another girl, one whom I did not think I was attracted to because her walk with God was more charismatic than my own. In my view, God was to be feared and revered, and a relationship with Him was a very private thing for me. You never saw me pray in public because I was not very good at it. I did all I could to be as real as I could, and in doing so things were being said of me that were untrue, but all I could do was count on my actions being louder than the gossips around me.
At lunch one day, I asked her what her plans were and then, thinking that she was following a guy to California, I left the table abruptly. She asked me what was wrong. I asked her to leave me alone. I told her I really need to be away from people; I was coming apart. She wouldn’t leave me alone. I told her I had this thing for her but I didn’t know what to do with it. She freaked out. So did I.
The last week of school was one of bonding as adults (not as much supervision). I wasn’t sure how to handle that, so I did all I could to avoid her — without success. She asked me how long I had felt that way and my answer was, “Since I first met you.” Then she was like, “What about these other three girls?” She had an excellent point: Why didn’t I just focus on serving God and not try to get to know people?
Broken Health. Those last eight days finally broke me. I was exhausted from getting two or three hours of sleep a day. I started hallucinating, and my fight-or-flight drive was bouncing back from one to another. I was getting hot flashes and throwing up a lot. After graduation I fainted, and my short-term memory was shot. I had a manic attack in Indianapolis and another in L.A. Got medication and a flight home from Mexico and the doctor said my blood pressure was shot and I had a 102 degree fever. I’ve been on anti-convulsants and anti-depressants for the past two and a half months.
I have had difficulty concentrating or wanting to do anything but wait for the next day to come. My thought processes are halting, and I stammer a lot. I forget things, and I have difficulty feeling emotions about anything. An alternative doc says my adrenals are shot and are slowly coming back up. My mental processes are still messed up. I don’t know where I will go from here. I don’t know when — or if — my life will return to normal.
And maybe it’s not all something you can blame on ATI and its legalistic culture. But some of it is. Some of it definitely is.
Speechless.
David, thank you for sharing. Even though I've heard some of your story before, it still hits me hard. Rest is a very good thing.
oh wow. Yikes, dude.
If you were my son or brother, I would load you up in a car and drive you to some sort of ministry retreat somewhere and make sure you stayed for at least a week! The only requirements would be that you sleep and eat and get some rest and have a good counselor (not a jerk who gives more guilt trips but an actual counselor) ready when you want to talk.
That is messed up.
Sounds like you need some time just to chill out and let your mind and body recover then begin to read God's word and realize the grace of God and the peace that only He can give you. God is not a God of legalism and rules but one of love and comfort.
(((hugs)))
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Oh dear... I hope you are able to feel better soon. I had to go off of wheat/gluten and eat more nourishing real foods and so on to feel better. I used to get lethargic after eating because of that allergy. I'd encourage you to go to a natural-path or someone who can discover if you have allergies to foods or just do some research into healthier diets for cleansing purposes and so on. Loss of sleep and the stress in your life ruined your health, but you are still young and could probably make some changes that would allow your body to heal from these things. It always bothers me to hear how often the physical health of the people in ATI are treated. It's not more Holy to barely get any sleep or to wake up too early.. in fact.. it's stupid. I used to get pretty depressed before I discovered the allergy thing and it was because I was so stinking tired all the time! For me, staying healthy and allowing my body to heal has made me a better wife and mother and friend.
I had a similar experience (though not quite so extreme) when I left the Indianapolis Training Center. IBLP could work people BEYOND the point of exhaustion. I hope you find somewhere that you can just lay down and sleep for days on end with nothing to think about/be responsible for. Do you have a (non-judgmental) family member who would just let you crash at their place until you're well? (By non-judgmental, I mean someone that will let you rest and not try to "fix" everything)?
One need's to look into character first to understand what is behind this. Gothard is at the forefront of the character education movement's in this country which at it's top is connected with the global ethnic's ppl.(friend's of planned parenthood and the world bank crowd) This bring's us to a thorny issue as the worldwide character education movement is being advanced under the umbrella of the new age Global Ethnic's movement. It's frightening what is really behind the character first movement.
Dear Friend,
I was never in ATI or anything related but I have friends that were and have been. Do you have a place you can rest? You have been through the worst type of abuse, spiritual abuse. The very people you are counting on to encourage and direct and lead the deepest parts of your heart actually rip your very soul to shreds with lies. These things don't heal over night. I am praying for you right now and my heart breaks over these situations because I have seen some very close friends having to deal with the long term affects of what they have been through. Don't short-end yourself on healing time. Jesus restores the broken and creates beauty for ashes. I am praying for you.
Wow!!! The total confusion about courtship is exhausting just to read. No one should "freak out" over having feelings for someone else!!! That is the way God made us... Otherwise procreation would be a very boring thing!!!
I hate that the story ended this way!!! I was waiting for your healing and, here we have one more problem with IBLP, no one from leadership there is at all concerned that this has happened to you!!!
Hold on brother!!! Healing will come and we are all sending you hugs!!!! I think that taking things slowly and one day at a time is the best thing for you!!!
We are all praying for you!!!
David, it honestly sounds as though you may have PTSD or something similar. Healing may take a while, but know that there is hope. I'm so sorry that you've been through such horrific times. Thank you for sharing your story. You will be in my prayers.
Hi David. I went through unit 31 at ALERT and remember talking with you. I was in Golf squad. I have some experience in ATI and IBLP with disturbing outcomes in my family as well. As this site suggests, I firmly believe that recovery comes from a thorough and intimate understanding of righteulousness in Christ through faith by Grace. All the best to you as you " recover Grace".
Where is David now? I'm a new reader, slowly making my way thru old posts. This is very disturbing to read. (Well, it all is, but this sounds SO fresh, but now I see it's from 2011).
Maybe I'll click on "More posts by DavidA". Seems I've seen him in the comments sections too, so hopefully he is healing....
I'm glad that my parents saw the problems with IBLP early enough that we didn't get sucked into the maelstrom of ATI. I'm sorry about what happened to you. Like one of the other posters said, I think you've gotten a dose of PTSD and been burned out. I understand why you left West Point, but I think that it would have been better for you to have stayed there and gotten your commission in the Army, than going to the Verity school. You would have been much better prepared for life and there would have been better controls and a much better work environment than what you had. I remember my first attempts at dating as a Plebe at the US Naval Academy. (Quite unsuccessful... however, it was educational to me and hilarious to my upper-class.) I learned a lot, and have been exposed to a lot throughout my Naval career. In all my time in the service, I've never been pushed as hard physically or mentally as you describe, except in some very controlled and structured training courses that were specifically designed to do that, (and those are carefully monitored by many levels of medical and mental health staff, with command and government oversight as well.) However, I also know former midshipmen who went off the deep end, and I know men who were mustered out involuntarily. The service does a much better job of caring for its own than what you describe here.
Someone tell us more about Verity Institute, I can't find much online, my girlfriend might be going there this year. I am worried about her.
Adam,
I waited a while to see if someone else would answer since I haven't been involved with ATI/IBLP for a decade, and it has been even longer since I left Verity. I was in Verity's guinea pig class. Things were pretty rough for us. They constantly changed the rules and we experienced a huge leadership shift. Since I was there they moved the location to Indy South Campus (an old mental hospital).
I can't say much about what it is like now, but I do know about what the degree options are--degrees obtained through credit banking institutions. While these are accredited degrees, they may or may not actually give a GPA (mine did not) which can hurt your future opportunities. Another problem is that in a traditional college your professors will help you network to find a job after graduation. This does not happen with Verity.
Just the fact that it is an IBLP program would make me run the other way due to the legalism etc. If she really wants to attend a Christian school, there are good accredited traditional Christian colleges out there. Don't believe the lie that Verity is cheaper. It is more expensive than using the credit banking institutions on your own, and at an actual college you generally don't pay the sticker price. There are many grants and scholarships available that your girlfriend should look into if cost is a factor. Encourage her to consider all her options. Living at home and doing the first two years at a community college can be a great cost-saver in the long term and will provide a better education than Verity.
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